Karl Marx: Selected Writings - Karl Marx, David McLellan Audiobook

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• 
  Neromaz
  July 24th, 2021
  

  

  Paperback
  £36.99
  21 Used from £4.51
  14 New from £36.99
  On Amazon lol

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• 
  Highlandcharge
  July 24th, 2021
  

  

  They sell packs of toilet roll down the store for 1.99…

  I’d rather use that to wipe my arse…

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  Jack_Milad
  July 24th, 2021
  

  @Highlandcharge Well yeah, toilet roll is cheaper than buying a book. And more tangiable than trying to wipe your arse with an audiobook.

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  HarperTarot
  July 24th, 2021
  

  In college I was introduced to Marx in a philosophy class taught by a conservative Catholic who had written books advocating and expanding on themes in the philosophy of Pope John Paul II. The professor had written his doctoral dissertation on Marx. He knew that like any great thinker, Marx is a mixed bag. There’s some good stuff and some bad stuff. But we can learn from Marx. Too bad most conservatives today insist on staying ignorant about Marx’s actual thought.

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  SamKantOnline
  July 24th, 2021
  

  Does it include the letter Marx wrote to Engels on July 30 1862?

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  iaudiophile
  July 24th, 2021
  

  

  thanks, interested to learn about this guy since he’s so feared by right-wing douchebags in America.

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  eyeballs
  July 24th, 2021
  

  

  Jack_Milad
  Than again you would try to wipe your arse with an audio book

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• 
  stenka25
  July 24th, 2021
  

  

  Thanks a lot as always, Guest.

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  [email protected]
  July 25th, 2021
  

  

  It is a pity it is from amadors narrators like learning ally, but the book is great, thnk you so much for this

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  [email protected]
  July 25th, 2021
  

  *amateurs

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  rockinloud14
  July 25th, 2021
  

  @iaudiophile
  I know right? Why should anyone fear a philosophy that is responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people in the last 150 years alone.

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  tenbenson
  July 25th, 2021
  

  @rockinloud14

  “a philosophy that is responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people in the last 150 years alone.”

  Marxism? Are you sure about that, smart guy?

  Please point out the paragraphs in Marx that advocate killing 100 million people.

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  caesar963
  July 25th, 2021
  

  In Marx’s article “The Victory of the Counter-Revolution in Vienna” in the Neue Rheinische Zeitung (No. 136, 7 Nov 1848), he wrote that there is only one means to “simplify and concentrate” the destruction of society as it existed (”murderous death throes” & “bloody birth pangs”) - only one means — “revolutionary terrorism.” (Karl Marx – Friedrich Engels – Werke, Berlin: Dietz Verlag, Vol. V, 1959, pp. 455-7. [1]; for English translation see [2])

  No firm indication given as to defined parameters for the “concentrated terror” - consequently open-ended as demonstrated in Marxist regimes & resulting genocides, forced famines, human rights abuses, torture, widespread repression, etc. Remarkable how his advocacy was actually followed in subsequent manifestations & iterations, as we know.

  As Dr Stephen Heder points out, the targetting by Marxist regimes of minority people for “liquidation” (like the minority Cham people) echoed “Marx’s definition of a historyless people doomed to extinction in the name of progress.”
  (Steve Heder’s specialisms include the analysis & consequences of such extremist ideology in SE Asia, partic Cambodian genocide/Killing Fields; political/ideological violence)

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  toadmanga
  July 25th, 2021
  

  Caesar, keep the schizophrenia in your head.

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  caesar963
  July 25th, 2021
  

  ’cause that’s where you’ve got it? A hair-trigger anti-Semite who denies genocide & “thinks” it’s just “historical revisionism” - wot a sleazy Nat Socialist toenail you are!

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  toadmanga
  July 25th, 2021
  

  My lord you can’t help yourself. You keep repeating this absurd slanderous stuff about me with absolutely no basis in reality while buddying up to actual white nationalists and right wingers in every other comment section. Your rainbow coalition of rabid anti-socialists is pretty much like clockwork proved every single time to be just a gaggle of nutters. Where is my antisemitism. Point at anything i’ve said on this site and directly quote me if you have to to sure up your claim of ‘antisemitism genocide denial nazism’ etc. It doesn’t work like a hypnotic trance or prayer, the frequency with which you repeat lies doesn’t have any correlation with the shape of reality. Nowhere have I denied genocide. Nowhere. I don’t deny genocide. The holodmor happened, the great famine happened, the killing fields happened, the holocaust happened. My only contention is that they weren’t all motivated by the same thing. Thats it! A common propensity for genocide in totalitarian, authoritarian, fascist and ethnonationalist regimes does not speak to their underlying common beliefs in ANY way. Your ability to kill someone does not mean you share ANYTHING with someone else on the other side of the world who has killed someone. It doesn’t make it good to kill, but it does not a bedfellow make in any way but surface level assessment. Nazis and Pol Pot were operating with different aims, both entirely wrong headed and functionally evil, but not related in any real way. Yes the shared trait of a massive death toll between the holocaust and the khmer rouge mass murdering, and their shared basis in human hatred and cruelty is important in recognising the scope of the horrific deeds done, but it is NOT strong enough evidence for an ipso facto ‘hitler was a socialist’ conclusion. The Nazis were ethno-nationalist pseudoscience loving blood and soil, aryan blood myth loving fascists. The notion that they were socialists is just a ahistorical nonsense divorced from context and strung together with masturbatory frenzy, right wing revisionist nonsense and garden variety paranoia.

  I am not a nazi. I punch nazis. Theres the rub, you incredibly ignorant cu4t. Find a clue. Did i touch a nerve with the schizophrenia? Am i getting warmer? Because i mean, you do demonstrate paranoid delusions almost daily on anything even vaguely progressive. If it acts like a f4ck, if it talks like a f4ck, if it writes like a f4ck etc etc. Get help. I mean, look at your name. What kind of ridiculous, delusional person thinks taking on the handle of ‘Caesar’ makes them look like anything but a larping loon with an inflated sense of self importance.

  You’re just repeatedly and demonstrably wrong and whenever you get push back on it you act the arse about it. Please, make a plan. Either seek help and log off or listen to the voices and end it all. For god’s sake get off the fence you actual joke.

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  caesar963
  July 25th, 2021
  

  …epitomised as “look away from the Nazi toady’s Nat Socialism.” Y’know, when you combine words like that, they’re supposed to make some sense. Coherence is what you’re lacking here. And knowledge. And a fugitive hint of sanity.
  Your sweaty, subliterate screed is too late. I gave you a chance to retract at the time, remember?
  For toxic ideologues, it’s always the people who draw their attention to the hated truth of their appalling ideology, who must then become the targets of mindless abuse.
  Unlike the toxic ideology in question, this dynamic never fails.

  Once again, you have no arguments, only mindless abuse.
  You’ve never made anything approaching a coherent, intelligent point - just orgasmically wallowing in the usual empty-barrel dynamic.

  It’s far too late for a retrospective repair-job, toad. What you revealed cannot now be concealed. Call it your rare moment of ideological honesty. However, your “human being impressions” are beyond parody.

  Your antisemitism? To £sure up” my claim? The notoriously intractable Israel-Palestine situation you dismissed in these subliterate terms: “its very well understood. people make this out to be complicated. it’s not complicated. it’s just apartheidt (sic).” In addition to failing to understand “apartheidt” - Jewish people you attack, while the most genocidal regimes & ideologies in human history are first denied, then when I didn’t let you away with that, you tried to distinguish & excuse them - as being “different” and of having “different aims” to other genocidal regimes. How is this even an observation? What kind of mindless trash is that? Why do you try to “revise” the Holodomor; the Holocaust; Mao; Pol Pot, and all your other shyte? Jewish & African-American people you described as “Pig people” - on a book that was not authored by a Jewish person. Yet you volunteered this trash observation nonetheless - the Jew-hatred was that strong in you.

  On “The Problem with Socialism” bk, when I explained that there was overwhelming historical evidence of ideological genocides - from across the 20th c spectrum, you replied: “you’re and (sic) actual historical revisionist.” And here:
  “toadmanga June 17th, 2021 ideological genocide You just keep them coming. Don’t stop and explain, just keep the zingers coming.”

  A zinger. Okay. The Holocaust was just a zinger. Victims’ families will be so relieved. Consequently, here I had to specifically enumerate instances, which would give you less slither room for deniability:
  “caesar963 June 17th, 2021 - The Holodomor, in Ukraine? The Holocaust, & wider Nat Socialist genocidal programmes? Mao’s forced famines (”Great Leap Forward” & “Cultural Revolution”)? Pol Pot’s Killing Fields?”

  Your response to this? With nowhere else to run? You said: “Go bald.” Which at least had the dubious virtue of being somewhat coherent.

  You denied being racist & Nat Socialist, then said: “toadmanga June 17th, 2021 - I’m not a disgusting brit.”

  Your “victorious” reaction to comprehensive refutation? -
  “toadmanga June 17th, 2021 - Kill yourself.” Priceless. And killer.

  What intelligent, educated person, at this point in history, has to have genocide explained/proved to them - actually have specific instances listed in front of you so that you have to stop lying? Pure, mindless denialism. No weasel efforts to conceal what you said are remotely credible.
  Not that I wish to impugn intelligent, educated people by numbering phuckwits like you amongst them.

  “The frequency with which you repeat lies doesn’t have any correlation with the shape of reality.” But you seem to rely on just this stratagem. Why are u unable to comprehend any pushback against your insane, ideological worldview?
  “Nowhere have I denied genocide. Nowhere. I don’t deny genocide.” (Oy. See above)
  “My only contention is that they weren’t all motivated by the same thing. Thats it!” And you’re contending this, even after the historical & political basics were explained to you - repeatedly. However, you stuck fast to the straw man, precisely because you failed to formulate a coherent contention; couldn’t support any of your ludicrous ass-ertions; failed to counter (or understand) any of the arguments; and hoped that I would overlook your expedient mischaracterisations.

  Toxic, extremist ideologies are notoriously difficult to distinguish in practice. Their wholly deceptive propaganda is just that.

  A representative example, which you volunteered (& promptly completely misunderstood): “Nazis and Pol Pot were operating with different aims - not related in any real way.”
  Helen Fein, a genocide scholar, states that the xenophobia of the Khmer Rouge regime bears a stronger resemblance to “an almost forgotten phenomenon of Nat Socialism.” And as I already quoted above: Steve Heder states that the example of such racialist thought as it is applied in relation to the minority Cham people echoed “Marx’s definition of a historyless people doomed to extinction in the name of progress” and it was therefore a part of general concepts of class and class struggle. French historian Henri Locard argues that the repression which existed under the rule of the Khmer Rouge was “similar to the repression in all communist regimes.” Daniel Goldhagen explains that the Khmer Rouge were xenophobic because they believed that the Khmer were “the one authentic people capable of building true communism.”

  You are a true ideologue - mindlessly ignorant of all history.

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  tenbenson
  July 26th, 2021
  

  @Caesar

  Is this one of those “you don’t like how the State of Israel behaves so you must be a Nazi” arguments? Only way, way longer?

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  caesar963
  July 26th, 2021
  

  Ever notice how people “who don’t like how the State of Israel behaves,” & those “who just really, really hate Jews,” often end up making the same “arguments” & abusive grunts? Such as using toxic phrases like “Pig people” or being “genocide-sceptics,” or saying “Israel & the Jews - they’re just like the Nazis/apartheidt (sic, really sic)” or “they’re the real Nazis, and this is worse than the Holocaust” - implying that the genocide was not too bad, really (if it happened at all, of course).

  How often do such people balance reasonable criticism of the state’s policies with a proportionate critique & condemnation of aggressors & aggravating factors, such as Hamas’ terror activities; Iran’s formal pledge/threat - affirmed regularly - to “wipe out” & “annihilate” Israel; Hezbollah’s terrorism? Are these political agents genuinely partners for peace, and trying to de-escalate & bring about a peaceful resolution for all parties? Or will the aim always be abt total destruction & “liquidation” for those who use terror?

  And it’s not complex at all, remember, “people make this out to be complicated. it’s not complicated.” No, it never is when it’s the Jews, seemingly. Were the Troubles just as childishly simple? Should people whose country has a blood-soaked, imperialist past be more circumspect in whom they condemn?

  Notice also how “genocide-sceptics” get a free pass when they make the right noises about “the Jews” - how they can say the most appalling things, call for death - trivialise genocide, refer to it as “historical revisionism” & receive not a frown?

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  iaudiophile
  July 26th, 2021
  

  @caesar963
  lunatic, take your meds

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  caesar963
  July 26th, 2021
  

  Representing established fact equates to lunacy for you? Yeah, that would fit. How do toxic ideologues like you end up on a book site anyway - take a wrong turn looking for the wrestling?

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  tenbenson
  July 27th, 2021
  

  Israel, especially under Bibi, was and is a murderous, weaponised state. I do not suffer from anti-Semitism and, having spent several years living 20 miles from Auschwitz, do not go in for holocaust denial.

  It is called being an independent and rational thinker, rather than an ideologue.

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  tenbenson
  July 27th, 2021
  

  I must say I prefer you when you just post overlong, rambling, irrelevant drivel that nobody reads. You’re not very nice when you’re angry.

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  caesar963
  July 27th, 2021
  

  I was clearly referring to der toady. The long stuff peeps should indeed understand comprised an excessively patient response & evaluation of his hateful, bigoted spew.

  Didn’t live near Auschwitz, but I did live for a time in Israel, and while in university in Dublin, was involved in an outreach programme with young Palestinians. While you are independently & rationally singling out Israelis as being especially murderous & weaponised, can I just confirm whether or not you come from Britain?

  Would you balance reasonable criticism of Israel with a proportionate critique & condemnation of aggressors & aggravating factors, such as Hamas’ terror activities; Iran’s formal pledge/threat to “wipe out” & “annihilate” Israel; Hezbollah’s terrorism? Do you think that these entities are genuinely partners for peace, trying to de-escalate & bring about a peaceful resolution for all? Or is their aim total destruction & “liquidation?”

  Would you condemn phrases like “Pig people” or saying something like “Israel & the Jews - they’re just like the Nazis/apartheidt (sic)?

  You wouldn’t also call for death, trivialise or deny genocide, or refer to it as “historical revisionism?”

  Would you accept that, like the Troubles, it is a complex situation?

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  tenbenson
  July 27th, 2021
  

  I think many of your questions can be answered by my repeating:

  I do not suffer from anti-Semitism.

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  caesar963
  July 27th, 2021
  

  That’s a heartening formula to repeat, as far as it goes. However, like any bigotry, anti-Semitism can also work by omission. Most of that outlined disgusting behaviour was precisely exhibited above, yet when I called the guy out & condemned him for gross anti-Semitism, you did not disapprove of him, but directed your anger at me?

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  toadmanga
  July 27th, 2021
  

  I’m not an antisemite. I do not support israel. I am not a nazi. I am an antifascist. I do not deny any genocide, I just refuse to let you talk absolute smack. Your inability to parse information is the zinger you incredulous gowl.

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  toadmanga
  July 27th, 2021
  

  My WORD you’ve typed a lot here and said very little. The tiniest little dilettante in the county. Poor boyo.

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  toadmanga
  July 27th, 2021
  

  Hey Caesar. You’d swim out to meet Cromwell’s ship , suck him dry and scream ‘Failte!’

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  toadmanga
  July 27th, 2021
  

  Again caesar, for clarifaction, point at the antisemitism. Point at the nazism. Point at the explicit denial of any genocide. I’m not talking about your stupid inferences and your feelings about what my intent might have been. I’m talking about specifics. Where did I EXPLICITLY lend me support to any of those things. And for gods sake keep it short. We all get that you like to be the most verbose little sh1t on this site but for expediency just control your neuroses for once in your life and write a clear dot point.

  Your screed above is indecipherable except the last paragraph which essentially tried to equate the khmer rouge as analoguous to the nazis in ideological aims because of shared features. Which is stupid. Regardless of shared features, they are not the same and they did not rise out of the same thought tradition or ideology. That is, once again for clarity’s sake - NOT a defence of either of them. You are not going to force your stupid and blinkered narrative about socialism being the root of all evil in the 20th century down my throat just because you call me names online.

  Either buck up and make a CLEAR, CONCISE point, like an Adult, or fück off. Your call chumpy.

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  toadmanga
  July 27th, 2021
  

  ALL genocide is ‘ideological’ genocide. It was a redundant term. Thats why i called it a zinger. Fück you’re a joke. Thats the zinger! You rambling on.

  I’m sure “orgasmically wallowing in the usual empty-barrel dynamic” or “sweaty, subliterate screed” sounds very smart in your head and you quietly congratulate yourself on being clever with words, but they really just telegraph that you’re interfering with yourself and are in love with your own self importance. Speak like a regular human trying to convey information and not some 19th century dandy you pompous çunt.

  I still do hope you end your life and will be glad the day you finally do.

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  toadmanga
  July 27th, 2021
  

  And stop using Sic as if you’re doing anything but being a wånker.

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  caesar963
  July 27th, 2021
  

  QED. Again, it’s far too late for a retrospective repair-job, particularly your incoherent, subliterate, English tabloidese variety. I gave you a chance, and much like you’d do with Hitler - you blew it.

  You’re clearly in an advanced state of heightened arousal when you’re talking about killing & death. Nothing peculiar about that whatsoever. No, not in the slightest. Perhaps see someone? On your NHS?

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  caesar963
  July 27th, 2021
  

  Oh, and “Cromwell?” Less of the bullshyte - you’re trying too hard; the only thing they “teach” ye over there is that he chopped a king’s head off. No wonder you’re utterly ignorant of history as well.

  You really need books, but I seriously don’t believe, on this evidence, you’ve ever finished or understood one. All emotion & no reason. Books are like kryptonite for you (”Get it away!”).

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  bugagagashenki
  July 27th, 2021
  

  caesar963 pearls before swine my friend. It is useless.

  All one can wish is for these wonderful people to be relocated to Gaza, under the rule of Hamas, whom they aren’t capable of condemning, despite it being a terror organization. Or maybe to Venezuela or NK, so they can bask in the glory of their preferred regime and stop suffering with us, loathsome capitalists.

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  caesar963
  July 27th, 2021
  

  I keep thinking that it might be possible to reach a rational centre, beneath all the choking ideological bumf. But this guy (& if he seems to have mental health issues, that has to factored in) has outsourced all his “thinking” a long time ago. Pure hate.

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  caesar963
  July 27th, 2021
  

  Oh, hang on, toady! You don’t know what “sic” means! You thought I meant “sick” - now that is downright hilarious.
  It’s used in order to draw attention to all of your errors in their original form - because I didn’t want to change any of your “incriminating” nasty nazi nonsense.

  And you’re on a book site, for some reason? Not 2 learn, just to spew bigotry, self-evidently.

  That’s like when you said that a polit book on socialism was no place to mention “justice” or ideas.

  And then when I had to explain that Natural Law did not revolve around your prostate - & your panicked “But I do know philolosophy!” (Happy paraphrase) Your battered prostate being your “ideas” centre.

  And that Goebbels’ Diaries weren’t an historiographical source (not your actual phrase) - because they were “an anecdote” (yup, your actual phrase). Yeah folks, the inner thoughts of one of the most evil phuckrs in history is merely a short, amusing story. At least it amuses Nat-toady. “A short amusing” plan for genocide.

  You punch Nazis in your head - ’cause that’s where they’re located. Their principal residence.

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  toadmanga
  July 28th, 2021
  

  I know what Sic means. You’re still a total wånker for employing it. You didn’t ‘give me an out’. I didn’t need an ‘out’. You’re ridiculous.

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  toadmanga
  July 28th, 2021
  

  Goebbels’ Diaries don’t prop up your claim of the nazi’s being socialists.

  Appeals to Natural Law as foundational to our understanding of morality is absurd. The mention of the prostate was illustrative of the absurdity in other appeals to natural law made elsewhere.

  Nazi’s now only exist in my head huh? I guess those people wearing swastikas and talking about white pride just don’t exist huh. Wow, interesting that you’d just come out and run intereference for them. Very interesting kaiser.

  I am not a bigot. You haven’t been able to point at genocide denial, anti-semitism or nazism on my part whatsoever.

  You can’t reach a ‘rational centre’ because you’re not a rational person. Thats it.

  I am not a Brit. I know about Cromwell. I know quite a bit about Irish history and the crimes committed here, being Irish. And you would loooove to service Cromwell. That was my point. You’d swim out to meet the ships. Thats how much you love your oppressors. You love a firm hand don’t you love?

  I’ve been pretty coherent. I’m one of the few people that actually do read and listen to the books I comment on. Unlike, for example, yourself.

  The only people who side with you on any of your nonsense are right wing nutters. You know it, I know it, they know it, everyone else knows it.

  Go fück yourself.

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  toadmanga
  July 28th, 2021
  

  Didn’t really learn how to think critically when you went to UCD did you? You can’t construct an argument, you can’t control your impulse to lie, you think irrelevant information and shallow inference is valid as evidence of intent or meaning. I mean you literally have demonstrated here and elsewhere that you believe a dislike of the israeli regime is equivalent to a hatred of jews. How incredibly dishonest can you get. Now for some reason I’m british because I mocked you?

  Please, give us all another rant.

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  caesar963
  July 28th, 2021
  

  Oops! Heinrich’s flushed der toilet again. Look at all that mess. More fascist faeces from der stormtrooper with more voices than his “Britain’s got talent.”

  You “might” know what sic means - now. It’s necessary when an educationally-challenged Nat Soc type is being quoted.
  English tabloidese hackery in evidence again, me ole china crackpot!
  No one wants to hear abt your swastikas, your “white pride” or your cum-stained BNP posters. Keep it in yer lederhosen, adolf.

  They only have Henry 8 & his 6 knives on the curriculum over there, so stow the bullshyte. And the subterranean level of literacy & reading comprehension is nauseatingly clear every time you spew.

  I gave you multiple chances & you chose ideological oblivion & doubled-down stupidity. You put yourself directly on the record: genocide was a mere “zinger” & “historical revisionism.” Israel-Palestine is “not complicated”(!) it’s “apartheidt” (sic, yeah). The hated Jews are put in the dock (described as “Pig people”) - while you make sleazy excuses for actual genocidal regimes.

  When I finally forced u to admit genocide as a possibility (with the aid of a phuckin’ list) you tried to distinguish & excuse them - as being “different” & of having “different aims.” The most stupidly offensive garbage. So, what’s your favourite genocide then? Do you have a Top 10 to beat off to? Again: who has to have genocide explained/proved to them - have specific instances listed in front of you so that you have to stop lying? Mindless denialism. No weasel efforts to conceal what you said will be remotely credible.

  You still don’t get the ideological problem - even now, after it being explained on myriad occasions? Telling the toxic doctrines apart in practice? Goebbels’ “genuine socialism” is symptomatic of that ambiguity. No? I get that history is impossible for you, but elementary logic? And it’s not an anecdote, you clown!

  Even with wiki-help, you still don’t know what Natural Law is - you may as well ask yer punch-drunk prostate, at this point.

  You’ve yet to be coherent about anything, but what the hell, have another sweaty try. Run-on sentences & masturbatory, “edgy” swear words…yeah.

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  bugagagashenki
  July 28th, 2021
  

  I’ve lived in Ireland for a while myself, and frankly, the only people as blatantly antisemitic and not even realising that they are, were my Irish colleagues.

  You know, when you say your paycheque could have been better, and in return get something like “Why don’t you call one of _your_people_? You guys own all the banks, so money shouldn’t be a problem, right?..”

  I also recall a pretty wide Irish support for the nazis during the war, Bewley, Walshe, De Valera… wonderful characters all.

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  caesar963
  July 28th, 2021
  

  So you think the Irish are uniquely anti-Semitic? “The Only People as blatantly antisemitic…”
  Eejit’s award for blundering racist assertion, right there.

  Appeasing Tories & a former king - not pro-Nazi or anti-Semitic? That’s how we’re remembering this, eh?

  Could you give actual data on “wide Irish support for the nazis during the war?” Perhaps begin with all those who joined up to fight in yet another British war? (Britain had used an SS-style terror force in Ireland a few years earlier - murdered & tortured civilians; beat people to death - you know the standard drill. Pretty forgiving under the circumstances.)
  The Irish state which was neutral - “on behalf of the Allies” - and was bombed by the Nazis for breach of neutrality in aiding a burning Belfast?

  Live somewhere - and genuinely learn about the place, rather than procuring dodgy “phacts” from a racist site.

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  bugagagashenki
  July 29th, 2021
  

  @caesar963 no, sorry, I didn’t complete the post there. What I meant was as antisemitic as some east-europeans. You know, the people who invented the word “pogrom”?

  I still have many Irish friends, I learned not to take such things to heart because it’s just the way they are brought up, it’s not direct malice. But this is also why some of the most vehement pro-palestinian rallies happen in Ireland. When you are brought up thinking Jews are rich and evil, it’s easy to stir you up to screaming “apartheid!” without actually giving the argument any critical thought.

  It was the same way in russia or ukraine - “David is a great guy, he’s a Jew but he can drink just like us, and doesn’t even try to wiggle out of paying for a round of drinks”. That sort of thing.

  As for historical facts, well, how about you read up on the facts a bit. Sure, they have made a U-turn later on, but the overtures were pretty damn ouvert: https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/ireland-and-the-nazis-a-troubled-history-1.3076579

  Yes, they got bombed, which was either an attempt to cancel their formal neutrality or a warning not to, or, some may say, a mistake by the Germans. And by the end of the war they switched their overtures towards the winning side, but they definitely supported the nazi sentiments in the decade that led up to the war, and one of the main reasons for that was antisemitism. Oh and don’t get me started on the IRA, they were brown-nosing the nazis well into the war years.

  I HAVE lived in Ireland, like I said already, primarily in Bray, Dun Laoghaire and South Dublin. Nice, warm people, genuinely kind and open. But also openly and unashamedly antisemitic, in that common, day-to-day way people have of thinking dogs hate cats, pigeons crap on statues, jews take away my livelihood.

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  caesar963
  July 29th, 2021
  

  “I HAVE lived in Ireland… Nice, warm people, genuinely kind and open…also openly and unashamedly antisemitic, in that common, day-to-day way people have of thinking…jews take away my livelihood.”

  I was actually born, raised, educated, work, live in Ireland - and I can assure you that that is the most arrant, racist nonsense - an absurdly bigoted, xenophobic, blundering racist assertion.

  If you mean in the sense that anti-Semitism & xenophobia existed everywhere, then we may agree. Or the example of the vicious anti-Semitism exhibited in Britain throughout its history; including the aforementioned 1930s - the appeasing Tories & a former king - pro-Nazi & anti-Semitic. The anti-Semitism evident throughout its society, as reflected in the Daily Mail’s support for Hitler & fascism, generally. This bigotry appealed to British upper, middle & working class people, and was keenly felt & shared. It was thought that the Jews had been getting “above themselves” & needed “taking down a peg.”

  Lord Rothermere was a friend of Mussolini & Hitler, and directed the Mail’s editorial stance towards them in the early 1930s.His 1933 leader “Youth Triumphant” praised the new Nazi regime’s accomplishments & was subsequently used as propaganda by them. In it, Rothermere predicted that “The minor misdeeds of individual Nazis would be submerged by the immense benefits the new regime is already bestowing upon Germany”. Journalist John Simpson, in a book on journalism, suggested that Rothermere was referring to the violence against Jews.

  Rothermere & the Mail were also editorially sympathetic to Mosley & the British Union of Fascists. He wrote an article titled “Hurrah for the Blackshirts” published in the Mail on 15 Jan 1934, praising Mosley for his “sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine” and pointing out that: “Young men may join the British Union of Fascists by writing to the Headquarters, King’s Road, Chelsea, London, S.W.”
  The paper editorially continued to oppose the arrival of Jewish refugees escaping Germany, describing their arrival as “a problem to which the Daily Mail has repeatedly pointed.” A very popular British newspaper.

  As to saying Irish people are brought up to be anti-Semitic - even your own good friends - I’ve never understood hatred of Jews. Growing up, I was fascinated by history, and used to ask the parents about the Holocaust and why did it happen - it equally made no sense to them. This is true throughout my close family, relatives, friends, the communities I grew up in, my educational experiences, etc. One of my law professors was extremely pro-Israel, it never caused tension - or even comment - amongst the class. He was one of the more popular lecturers & ran the best-attended seminars, ’cause the debates were great. The pogroms, by comparison, were poorly attended.

  Issues in Irish history were all Irish-British, or Catholic-Protestant, not Irish-Jewish people.

  There is considerable pro-Palestinian feeling amongst some of the population. The Palestinians are often seen by the people with such feelings as the oppressed minority, as the Irish were victimised for centuries, as the Catholics were/are treated in the 6 counties.

  Once again, could you give actual statistical data on “wide Irish support for the nazis during the war?” Demographics, etc? It couldn’t include all those who joined up to help Britain fight the Nazis? (Even after Britain’s SS-style terror force deployed in Ireland)

  The Irish state was what was known as “neutral on behalf of the Allies” - and the Nazi bombing pointedly occurred after the aid given to Belfast; technically, a breach of our neutrality. Moreover, German personnel (airmen, sailors) were interned at the Curragh for the duration of the war; Allied troops were sent over the border to fight on.

  The IRA did make connections with the Nazis - England’s difficulty was their opportunity. One feature was their plotting with the Nazis to overthrow the Irish govt. They were ruthlessly & brutally suppressed, with internment & executions resorted to during the war (for this purpose: use of the draconian Offences Against the State Act 1939 & the Special Criminal Court - deployed against the IRA on an ongoing basis).

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  niwif78220
  July 30th, 2021
  

  

  WoW, nice book!, I hope audible could record this one someday! Cheers and thnks!

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  toadmanga
  July 30th, 2021
  

  Jesus Caesar. Weak response.

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  caesar963
  July 30th, 2021
  

  How would u know?

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  toadmanga
  July 30th, 2021
  

  You and your ridiculous büllshît reductionism and ad hom are the zinger, and i explained that. Clearly. You’re the historical revisionist as you made claims that were tantamount to historical revisionism - the nazis were and remain as far apart ideologically from socialism in more ways than they were similar to italian fascism. Have you even read about hitlers idea of socialism? He is on record, speaking about it in an interview with a sympathetic international journalist. His notion of ’socialism’ is just divorced from any kind of connection to actual socialism. He openly rejects Marxism and Communism entirely. How is that possibly socialism? What kind of socialism is that? He was making it up as he went along! Anyone can see that. It’s like if I was elon musk and decided to call my business model ‘marxism’ despite sharing zero traits with anything even referencing marxist thought, rejecting workers rights entirely and elevating the importance of the bourgeoisie to the status of god-kings. Does that a marxist make?. I mean really you can just read his own words discussing his ’socialism’. It’s not hidden anywhere. If I cook a pepper steak and call it a cake you’re just going to take my word for it that thats a cake now? Oh but Goebels kept a diary of absolutely no material import to reality where he once said something positive about socialism? WOAH BETTER REWRITE THE HISTORY BOOKS FOLKS.

  Nowhere did i say genocides are historical revisionism or funny. You couldn’t point at it, all you could do was speculate about my motives for saying the word ‘zinger’ from inference and just straight up lying. So much of what you write on this site is just weird projection motivated by a blinkered and unreasoningly hostile mindset. When you insist that people who fundamentally disagree with you do so because they are British nazis even though they’re Irish antifascists thats just plain paranoid desperation man.

  Nowhere did I say anything even vaguely in support of fascism or nazism. How are you not understanding this at this juncture? You cannot JUST chant this stuff into being like a tulpa or a prayer. Thats not how reality works. I mean, i get that your hold on reality is pretty tenuous at best but even you know the difference between the inside of your head and the outside of it don’t you? I mean, do you?

  You refused to engage in good faith immediately the first time we ever interacted and now you have shît on your face to show for it. You’re a strange, strange little man kaiser and you need help more than you know.

  Think about this. What would happen should you walk onto the campus of UCD and try to pass off ANY of the stuff you assert as true to a class or faculty? Criticism of Israel = antisemitism to you? Unwillingness to ignorantly equivocate historical nazism with ALL socialism past and present because of faulty reasoning = fascism to you? Thinking you’re being reductive and ridiculous when you all but claim that genocide as a phenomena arises solely from socialism = genocide denial to you?

  You will be laughed off campus and then laughed out of town, kinda like how you’re laughed at everywhere on this site whenever you decide to drag your tattered member across the keys thinking you’re the Hibernian gore vidal.

  Seriously. Who are you trying to convince here. Me? Yourself? This is stuff you should be talking to a psych about or writing in a diary (or suicide not eh?).

  I have a life beyond this. I am not always on here to argue with you. I am not your pal nor do i owe you anything. You seem to think that if you stick at this and have the last word that is going to result in you being de-facto arbiter of what is true and good. How long have you been on this planet and how have you survived thus far thinking that’s how ideas are transferred successfully. If it’s just a last word thing, we can do that. Is that what this is?

  Your initial arguments are not convincing. Your responses to detractors are outrageously bad faith and entirely unconstructive. If you continue thinking and acting in your own personal life like you carry on here then you deserve all the disrespect and scorn you get. You can’t just lie your way through the world and pretend that makes you a conduit for virtue and truth. Its childish. You’re a child of the lie. You’re a weird, creepy little gombeen and nobody is buying what you’re selling except other little gobshîtes. If you want even a chance of that changing you should begin to read outside of your biases bud.

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  toadmanga
  July 30th, 2021
  

  Aontu voting pompous little pub talking cünt.

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  caesar963
  July 30th, 2021
  

  Deep breaths, remember, Heinrich. These are just absurdly desperate ranting screeds that you’re repeating incessantly. And the puerile (pure-lie) similes! It’s Nat Socialism & socialism in practice that is the issue. How many times has that been explained to you. The crushing Stalinist/Nat Socialist state in effect. How did their “rights” models differ? At all?

  “Oh but Goebels (sic, again) kept a diary of absolutely no material import to reality where he once said something positive about socialism?”

  Ugh. Not merely once. And his motivating ideas have no material import to reality?! Does anything permeate? On 16 Jun 1941, 5 days before Hitler attacked the Soviet Union, Goebbels exulted, in the privacy of his diary, in the victory over Bolshevism that he believed would quickly follow. Jewish Bolshevism would be uprooted in Russia and “real socialism” planted in its place (“Der echte Sozialismus“).

  He was aggressively vocal - that’s in public - in his belief that it was the socialism in National Socialism which took precedence above all else. From speech by Goebbels: “To be a socialist means to let the ego serve the neighbour, to sacrifice self for the whole. In its deepest sense socialism equals service. The individual refrains & the commonwealth demands.”

  So, both the public & private sleaze manifested in harmony; public speeches, private diaries. I explained that also.

  On “The Problem with Socialism” bk, when I explained that there was overwhelming historical evidence of ideological genocides - from across the 20th c spectrum, you replied: “you’re and (sic) actual historical revisionist.” And here:
  “toadmanga June 17th - ideological genocide You just keep them coming. Don’t stop and explain, just keep the zingers coming.”

  A zinger.

  It’s far too late for any retrospective repair-job. What you revealed cannot now be concealed. All you’re doing now is doubling down on denial.

  Who has to have genocide explained/proved to them - actually have specific instances listed in front of you so that you have to stop lying? Pure, mindless denialism. No weasel efforts to dissemble what you said are remotely credible.

  Criticism of Israel? The intractably complex Israel-Palestine situation you dismissed as: “its very well understood. people make this out to be complicated. it’s not complicated. it’s just apartheidt (sic).” In addition to failing to understand “apartheidt” - Jewish people you attack, while the most genocidal regimes & ideologies in human history are first denied, then when I didn’t let you away with that, you tried to distinguish & excuse them - as being “different” and of having “different aims” to other genocidal regimes. Mindless. Trying to “revise” the Holodomor; the Holocaust; Mao; Pol Pot, etc. Jewish & African-American people you described as “Pig people” - on a book that was not authored by a Jewish person.

  So, nothing you ass-ert stands. It’s all failed, insubstantial expression. You have continuously demonstrated an inability to reason & argue. And no, your mindless ranting “skill” set is inadmissible.

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  caesar963
  July 30th, 2021
  

  Oh, and stop googling Irish terms, it’s almost as embarrassing as your bigoted, anti-Semitic, genocide-denial.
  Pure tabloid hackery. Capitalised his fascist & nazis, but not the country he claimed to be from. His hierarchy of hatred in evidence.

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  toadmanga
  August 1st, 2021
  

  You accuse me of not being irish based on nothing.

  You accuse me of denying genocide based on nothing.

  You accuse me of nazism based on nothing.

  You accuse me of antisemitism based on nothing.

  You’re a liar and thats all you are.

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  toadmanga
  August 1st, 2021
  

  ‘Ideological genocide’ is a useless term. What genocide has ever been committed without being couched in genocide? Really. Point at one. That is the zinger. You always, ALWAYS have to overstate and add an extra word here or there to really hit home at how scared you are to say things simply. You cannot help yourself. THATS the zinger. How are you not getting this?

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  toadmanga
  August 1st, 2021
  

  ‘Ideological genocide’ is a useless term. What genocide has ever been committed without being couched in ideology? Really. Point at one. That is the zinger. You thinking adding an extra word here and there sures up any claim you’re making. Verbosity, writing overwrought screeds with twenty more words than are necessary - you think this is a good look for you, that it enhances your arguments, but it’s just you’re stumbling block. It’s all ornament used to distract from what you’re actually saying - which is of no merit and relies on outright dishonesty. You have no utility in your language. You are a liar. Thats all there is to it and i’m going to keep calling you a liar and debunking your nonsense everywhere you go on this site. You’re an intellectual coward and a liar.

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  caesar963
  August 1st, 2021
  

  “What genocide has ever been committed without being couched in genocide?” (What genocide has ever been genocided with genocide in a genocidal manner?!)

  Terrifyingly, that’s probably you at your most coherent. But I’ll try to clean up your errors here: mass slaughter of peoples occurs for innumerable reasons; with pragmatic, non-ideological reasons often to the fore. Consider Tamburlaine, the destruction of Carthage, etc. - motivations are fear, greed/need for territory/resources, desire for power. The other people are “in the way” & must be “liquidated” as you would orgasmically say.

  Distinguished then from ideological genocide.
  “Debunking” is an ornamental word for you, to distract from your consstent incoherence. You are a toxic, nazi-toady. It will be remembered.

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  qp1029384756
  July 27th, 2022
  

  Two yappy dogs in heat. Praise be to the esteemed inventors of the boundary line & the fortified wall.

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  cklem420
  October 28th, 2022
  

  

  Ceasar believes his verbose and convoluted comments lend air of legitimacy to his rightwing neoliberal drivel.. talk about putting make-up on a pig. Get a life.

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  jorik
  January 11th, 2023
  

  

  i just love how Marx is used to spark up right-wingers and left-wingers alike almost 150 years after his death. you don’t see such debates Kant’s works, even Nietzsche is so far behind on controversy, it’s almost laughable. Shows how big Marx actually is, and why he’s worth reading (listening to) no matter your political and other ideologies.

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  el_lissitzky
  April 24th, 2023
  

  

  karl marx murdered my dog (h e was a bad dog, i’m glad he’s dead–viva la revolution!)

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  Ponleu
  November 20th, 2023
  

  

  THANK YOU.

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  m_seitzz
  December 1st, 2023
  

  

  The audio quality is only 32k, instead of the advertised 64k. That’s a step down from “sounds good” to “below Compact Cassette quality”.

  I can accept low quality if there are no alternatives. But there are. Plenty. Thankfully :D

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  skay
  September 24th, 2024
  

  Ohhhh, now I know (Sept 2024) why comments are now closed on political books here

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  fucko9
  November 16th, 2024
  

  bunch of cocksuckers

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